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    Team/Player ratings

    Hey guys, just thought i'd post a thread so we can all discuss and compare our thought on what our sides ratings should be. Obviously theres no right or wrong answer atm (other than the all blacks are gonna be the best team in the game - rightfully so i guess). There is no real way (for us at least) to work out what the player/team ratings are gonna be so just put down what you think.

    (btw my "ratings" are what i've come up with comparing to what people over on TRF have said about theres - Just thought i'd start a thread of the same kinda nature to get some discussions on here as well I have no favouritism in either game, i just want both to be the best quality they can be - i'm gonna be buying the both anyways )

    As of yet neither of "my" teams have been announced but i'm still gonna contribute.

    Wales

    1. Gethin Jenkins 84
    2. Mathew Rees 82
    3. Adam Jones 86/7 (adam is arguably one of the best 3's in the World)
    4. Bradley Davies 82
    5. Alun-Wyn Jones 81
    6. Dan Lydiate/Ryan Jones 81 (Same thing as below but different emphasis on stats - Ryan may even be 2nd row)
    7. Martyn Williams/ Sam Warbuton 82 (same kinda rating but emphasis on different stats)
    8. Jonathan Thomas 81
    9. Mike Phillips 81
    10. Stephen Jones 80
    11. Shane Williams 85/6 (this is one which even my fellow country men will debate heavily over, but i still feel that he's world class, even if he's getting on. Without him Wales or ospreys have no spark)
    12. Jamie Roberts 84
    13. James Hook 84
    14. Lee Halpenny/George North 81
    15. Lee Byrne - 80 (Form over last year has been crap but still by the world cup will be half decent, at least i hope)

    The Ospreys (Doubt the ospreys will be in the game, but still in hope i'll put what i "think" their ratings should be)

    1. Paul James 80
    2. Richard Hibbard 79
    3. Adam Jones 86
    4. Ryan Jones 81
    5. Alun-Wyn Jones 81
    6. Jerry Collins 82
    7. Marty Holah 83
    8. Jonathan Thomas 81
    9. Mike Phillips 81
    10. Dan Biggar 79
    11. Shane Williams 85/6
    12. James Hook 84
    13.Andrew Bishop 80
    14. Tommy Bowe 84/5
    15. Lee Byrne 80

    Any of my fellow welshies are more than welcome to criticise me (i know theres huge George North/Scarlets Fan here somewhere :P)

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    I'm going to round to the nearest 5.

    1 Marcos Ayerza 80
    2 George Chuter 70
    3 Martin Castrogiovanni/Dan Cole 80
    4 Louis Deacon 65
    5 George Skivington 75
    6 Tom Croft 85
    7 Craig Newby 70
    8 Jordan Crane/Thomas Waldrom 75
    9 Ben Youngs 85
    10 Toby Flood 80
    11 Alessanna Tuilagi 70
    12 Anthony Allen 65
    13 Matt Smith 70
    14 Scott Hamilton 75
    15 Geordan Murphy 75

    Billy Twelvetrees 70

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    Wallabies
    1. Benn Robinson 78
    2. Tatafu Polota-Nau 81
    3. Ben Alexander 83
    4. James Horwill 84 (Waiting to see how he recovers from his injury)
    5. Nathan Sharpe 87
    6. Rocky Elsom 85 (Poor season)
    7. David Pocock 89
    8. Richard Brown 76
    9. Will Genia 87
    10. Quade Cooper 88
    11. Drew Mitchell 82
    12. Matt Giteau 77 (Over rated and has been poor past 3 years)
    13. Adam Ashley-Cooper 83
    14. James O'Connor 80
    15. Kurtley Beale 81

    All Blacks
    1. Tony Woodcock 85
    2. Keven Mealamu 84
    3. Owen Franks 79
    4. Brad Thorn 84
    5. Tom Donnelly 81
    6. Jerome Kaino 85
    7. Richie McCaw 98
    8. Kieran Reid 90
    9. Jimmy Cowan 83
    10. Dan Carter 99
    11. Joe Rokocoko 81
    12. Ma'a Nonu 89
    13. Conrad Smith 88
    14. Cory Jane 82 (84 at Full back)
    15. Mils Muliaina 87

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    All Black LEGENDS (so Jonah doesn't feel lonely)

    1 - Olo Brown 87
    2 - Sean Fitzpatrick 94
    3 - Carl Hayman 89
    4 - Colin Meads 92
    5 - Ian Jones 86
    6 - Jerry Collins 88
    7 - Micheal Jones 91
    8 - Zinzan Brooke 87
    9 - Sid Going 86
    10 - Grant Fox 86
    11 - Jonah Lomu 93
    12 - Tana Umaga 91
    13 - Frank Bunce 86
    14 - John Kirwan 87
    15 - Cristian Cullen 91

    16 - Anton Oliver 84
    17 - Craig Dowd 83
    18 - Chris Jack 83
    19 - Josh Kronfeld 81
    20 - David Kirk 84
    21 - Andrew Mehrtens 82
    22 - George Nepia 83

    23 - Keven Mealamu 87
    24 - Kees Meeuws 84
    25 - Ali Williams 81
    26 - Rueben Thorne 83
    27 - Justin Marshall 82
    28 - Carlos Spencer 86
    29 - Walter Little 81
    30 - Jeff Wilson 82

    note: in my opinion, for a player to be better than 90 they've got to be an absolute legend. I'd give McCaw 94
    Umaga, Spencer, Williams, Mehrtens, Collins, Meeuws, Jack, Mealamu and Hayman will feature in the game as they are still currently but it would be nice to have two different versions with accurate stats for current and in their prime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan the Man View Post
    All Black LEGENDS (so Jonah doesn't feel lonely)

    1 - Olo Brown 87
    2 - Sean Fitzpatrick 94
    3 - Carl Hayman 89
    4 - Colin Meads 92
    5 - Ian Jones 86
    6 - Jerry Collins 88
    7 - Micheal Jones 91
    8 - Zinzan Brooke 87
    9 - Sid Going 86
    10 - Grant Fox 86
    11 - Jonah Lomu 93
    12 - Tana Umaga 91
    13 - Frank Bunce 86
    14 - John Kirwan 87
    15 - Cristian Cullen 91

    16 - Anton Oliver 84
    17 - Craig Dowd 83
    18 - Chris Jack 83
    19 - Josh Kronfeld 81
    20 - David Kirk 84
    21 - Andrew Mehrtens 82
    22 - George Nepia 83

    23 - Keven Mealamu 87
    24 - Kees Meeuws 84
    25 - Ali Williams 81
    26 - Rueben Thorne 83
    27 - Justin Marshall 82
    28 - Carlos Spencer 86
    29 - Walter Little 81
    30 - Jeff Wilson 82

    note: in my opinion, for a player to be better than 90 they've got to be an absolute legend. I'd give McCaw 94
    Umaga, Spencer, Williams, Mehrtens, Collins, Meeuws, Jack, Mealamu and Hayman will feature in the game as they are still currently but it would be nice to have two different versions with accurate stats for current and in their prime.
    Ooh you going to start a uproar with some of those ratings

    Goldie should be higher, so should Merhts, as their core require skills sets, they were exceptional at, eg Goldies speed, vision, quickness, try scoring ability. Same with Merhts tactical kicking, goal kicking, playmaker ability. Even though they may be lower in lineouts, rucking etc that wouldn't effect their overall rating too greatly as their skill rating in the positions they play would be high, hopefully Sidhe factor that in when they do player ratings.

    Like how bball do their player ratings, each position is rated differently. Eg a point guard who has a high rating for Offensive vision, quickness, ball control will have a high rating, because that's what is required from his position.
    And a Centre who has high rebound ability, high post play and inside scoring, blocking, would have a high ranking? Make sense?

    Players you have overated
    Foxy, Mealamu, and Jerry. Only by a couple though
    Last edited by dizal; 21-12-2010 at 09:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizal View Post
    Ooh you going to start a uproar with some of those ratings

    Goldie should be higher, so should Merhts, as their core require skills sets, they were exceptional at, eg Goldies speed, vision, quickness, try scoring ability. Same with Merhts tactical kicking, goal kicking, playmaker ability. Even though they may be lower in lineouts, rucking etc that wouldn't effect their overall rating too greatly as their skill rating in the positions they play would be high, hopefully Sidhe factor that in when they do player ratings.

    Like how bball do their player ratings, each position is rated differently. Eg a point guard who has a high rating for Offensive vision, quickness, ball control will have a high rating, because that's what is required from his position.
    And a Centre who has high rebound ability, high post play and inside scoring, blocking, would have a high ranking? Make sense?

    Players you have overated
    Foxy, Mealamu, and Jerry. Only by a couple though
    Haha, yeah it's hard to rate players accurately when you are too young to have seen them play alot... I really just wanted to do it so that i could suggest the players themselves

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    Oh be awesome if they do bring legend teams in though.
    Or recreate legendary game situations.

    Like
    95 World Cup final (try to recreate history and make AB win)
    99 World Cup Semi (try to recreate histroy and make AB win...again)
    03 World Cup Semi (try to recreate histroy and make AB win...again...)
    07 World Cup Semi (try to recreate histroy and make AB win...again...)

    Haha then I can select a centre to actually play at centre instead of putting our best full backs at the time into centre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizal View Post
    Oh be awesome if they do bring legend teams in though.
    Or recreate legendary game situations.

    Like
    95 World Cup final (try to recreate history and make AB win)
    99 World Cup Semi (try to recreate histroy and make AB win...again)
    03 World Cup Semi (try to recreate histroy and make AB win...again...)
    07 World Cup Semi (try to recreate histroy and make AB win...again...)

    Haha then I can select a centre to actually play at centre instead of putting our best full backs at the time into centre.
    I think you mean the 07 World Cup Quarter! It still hurts to say it, I know.

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    It'd be pretty cool to have a few All Blacks 'Team of Decade' sides included as unlockables (maybe that's why it's called Rugby Challenge?!).

    90's All Blacks
    80's All Blacks
    70's All Blacks (Going, Kirkpatrick, BG Williams, Norton, Robertson, Haden, Mourie)
    60's All Blacks (Clarke, Whineray, Meads, Tremain, Nathan, Gray, Lochore, Laidlaw, Kirton, McLeod, McCormick)
    1924 Invincibles (including George Nepia, Jack Steel, Brownlie brothers etc)
    1905 Originals - Creating the Legend

    How awesome would those teams be! With original uniforms too.

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    Yeah, i'd love to see vintage uniforms/pigskins and maybe even Eden Park 1987.
    I would prefer a 30 man legend squad from New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and England. insead of a whole heap from just NZ.
    It would be awesome to have more but this would be a great start, and these are the only countries to win a RWC.

    A legend Lions team would be pretty awesome to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaar View Post
    I think you mean the 07 World Cup Quarter! It still hurts to say it, I know.
    .....arrgh yes, even worse haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattS View Post
    It'd be pretty cool to have a few All Blacks 'Team of Decade' sides included as unlockables (maybe that's why it's called Rugby Challenge?!).

    90's All Blacks
    80's All Blacks
    70's All Blacks (Going, Kirkpatrick, BG Williams, Norton, Robertson, Haden, Mourie)
    60's All Blacks (Clarke, Whineray, Meads, Tremain, Nathan, Gray, Lochore, Laidlaw, Kirton, McLeod, McCormick)
    1924 Invincibles (including George Nepia, Jack Steel, Brownlie brothers etc)
    1905 Originals - Creating the Legend

    How awesome would those teams be! With original uniforms too.
    Hmm I can't see this happening, as this game is targeting an international market and nobody outside of New Zealand could care less whether or not it had classic All Black teams. Imagine how guttering it would be to play a rugby game for ages just to realise that the "secret team" you unlock is a 1960's Wallabies squad . . . That would suck, and it works the other way around too (not everyone worships the All Blacks).

    But classic/previous uniforms would be very cool, especially if each international team had a 1980's, 1990's and 2000's strip (maybe even a classic one too) that could be unlocked by winning tournaments/games with that team.

    For example, it could work like this:

    Unlock South Africa 2000's Strip - Win the Super 15 with any South African franchise
    Unlock South Africa 1990's Strip - Win the Tri-Nations using South Africa
    Unlock South Africa 1980's Strip - Win the World Club Cup with any South African franchise
    Unlock South Africa Classic Strip - Win the Rugby World Cup with South Africa

    Or something along the lines of that. And I'm not talking just about the Springboks, they were just an example of the format that could be used

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    Not sure how many International teams this game plans on having (probably won't be this many), but heres my list of 30 teams arranged into 3 tiers.

    These rankings are based on the teams' performances over the past 4 years (so not influenced by form).

    INTERNATIONAL (TIER ONE)

    Argentina - 90
    Australia - 91
    England - 91
    France - 89
    Ireland - 89
    Italy - 85
    New Zealand - 92
    Scotland - 86
    South Africa - 92
    Wales - 88

    INTERNATIONAL (TIER TWO)

    Canada - 80
    Fiji - 84
    Georgia - 79
    Japan - 81
    Namibia - 75
    Romania - 76
    Samoa - 82
    Tonga - 79
    United States - 79
    Uruguay - 76

    INTERNATIONAL (TIER THREE)

    Czech Republic - 70
    Germany - 69
    Hong Kong- 62
    Kazakhstan - 65
    Kenya - 60
    Portugal - 73
    Russia - 73
    Spain - 71
    Sri Lanka - 52
    UAE - 52

    SPECIAL

    World XV - 99
    Northern Hemisphere - 96
    Southern Hemisphere - 96
    British and Irish Lions - 93
    Pacific Islanders - 87
    NZ Maori - 87
    NZ North Island (fictitious) - 86
    NZ South Island (fictitious) - 86

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutterbox View Post
    Hmm I can't see this happening, as this game is targeting an international market and nobody outside of New Zealand could care less whether or not it had classic All Black teams. Imagine how guttering it would be to play a rugby game for ages just to realise that the "secret team" you unlock is a 1960's Wallabies squad . . . That would suck, and it works the other way around too (not everyone worships the All Blacks).

    But classic/previous uniforms would be very cool, especially if each international team had a 1980's, 1990's and 2000's strip (maybe even a classic one too) that could be unlocked by winning tournaments/games with that team.

    For example, it could work like this:

    Unlock South Africa 2000's Strip - Win the Super 15 with any South African franchise
    Unlock South Africa 1990's Strip - Win the Tri-Nations using South Africa
    Unlock South Africa 1980's Strip - Win the World Club Cup with any South African franchise
    Unlock South Africa Classic Strip - Win the Rugby World Cup with South Africa

    Or something along the lines of that. And I'm not talking just about the Springboks, they were just an example of the format that could be used
    The All Blacks are the biggest rugby brand in the world? Of course people would care, that's like saying no one gives a ooooo about Jonah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizal View Post
    The All Blacks are the biggest rugby brand in the world? Of course people would care, that's like saying no one gives a ooooo about Jonah?
    The All Blacks are not the "biggest rugby brand" in the world. We are not the wealthiest rugby union in the world. We do not have the most rugby players in the world. Yes, we have a very good team but you must remember that New Zealand makes less than 5% of the world's rugby population.

    I understand what you are trying to say but Jonah Lomu is a rugby superstar. There is little debate that Lomu is the greatest rugby player ever, whether you are from New Zealand, England, Japan or Singapore. There are people who can't even point out New Zealand on a map who know who Jonah Lomu is - his name stretches beyond borders, and beyond the rugby-playing world.

    But just because a soccer game might feature Diego Maradona, it does not mean that the enitre world worships the Argentinean soccer team.

    That is all I have to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutterbox View Post
    The All Blacks are not the "biggest rugby brand" in the world. We are not the wealthiest rugby union in the world. We do not have the most rugby players in the world. Yes, we have a very good team but you must remember that New Zealand makes less than 5% of the world's rugby population.

    I understand what you are trying to say but Jonah Lomu is a rugby superstar. There is little debate that Lomu is the greatest rugby player ever, whether you are from New Zealand, England, Japan or Singapore. There are people who can't even point out New Zealand on a map who know who Jonah Lomu is - his name stretches beyond borders, and beyond the rugby-playing world.

    But just because a soccer game might feature Diego Maradona, it does not mean that the enitre world worships the Argentinean soccer team.

    That is all I have to say.
    I went to Thailand and Vietnam earlier this year, they wouldn't have a clue about rugby, but as soon as they found out I was from NZ, the were like "aww ooor back ooor back yah" = translation "Ooh All Blacks All Blacks yeah". And they started singing some crazy as song, turned out to be Ka Mate, also known as the All Black Haka (took a while to figure out what the hell they were singing haha).

    Of course we don't have the biggest pool of players, we only have 4million people, but the brand "All Blacks" as with Jonah, are the biggest things in world rugby. Everyone knows that. And I'm not saying that everyone will worship the ABs and Jonah in the game, but globally and financially its going to help sell the game more compared to if they weren't on board.

    And I'd say a lot of people would love to play as a famous classic team eg the 1953 Welsh side captained by Bleddyn Williams who beat the All Blacks. If they are from Wales or not.
    In NBA, NFL, Fifa games people love playing with the random unlockable teams or classic teams, even JLR people loved playing with the random dev teams.

    Back to the point, your blowing off the ABs as not a global brand, how wrong you are mate, once again, they are the biggest globally recognised rugby brands along with Jonah in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizal View Post
    Of course we don't have the biggest pool of players, we only have 4million people, but the brand "All Blacks" as with Jonah, are the biggest things in world rugby. Everyone knows that. And I'm not saying that everyone will worship the ABs and Jonah in the game, but globally and financially its going to help sell the game more compared to if they weren't on board.

    And I'd say a lot of people would love to play as a famous classic team eg the 1953 Welsh side captained by Bleddyn Williams who beat the All Blacks. If they are from Wales or not.
    In NBA, NFL, Fifa games people love playing with the random unlockable teams or classic teams, even JLR people loved playing with the random dev teams.

    Back to the point, your blowing off the ABs as not a global brand, how wrong you are mate, once again, they are the biggest globally recognised rugby brands along with Jonah in the world.
    Yes, the All Blacks are the most globally recognisable team in the world. Jonah Lomu is the most globally recognised player. I have never disagreed with that.

    But you need to be more careful with your choice of words - saying that the All Blacks is the "biggest" rugby brand infers that they are the wealthiest or most populous rugby brand in the world. The worlds "biggest" city is the one with the largest population, not the one that is most globally recognisable. If you had said that the All Blacks were the most recognised rugby brand in the world, I would have agreed with that, as it is true.

    It is not my fault if you find yourself getting misinterpreted after using ambiguous words.

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    "And I'd say a lot of people would love to play as a famous classic team eg the 1953 Welsh side captained by Bleddyn Williams who beat the All Blacks. If they are from Wales or not."

    Agree with the statement but possibly the 70's side - Edwards, Bennet, Quinnell, Gravell (Would love to see that iconic beard of his in HD )

    anyways i'd be totally stocked if there was a classic AB's side, I think everyone would be stocked even if it was the JLR AB's side, I'd love to hear the commentator shout Bunce, Merthens etc :P

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    i wonder if by winning the rights to, say the all blacks, if that automaticly gives you the rights to any past players of that team. or if you must buy the rights to that classic team seperatly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutterbox View Post
    Yes, the All Blacks are the most globally recognisable team in the world. Jonah Lomu is the most globally recognised player. I have never disagreed with that.

    But you need to be more careful with your choice of words - saying that the All Blacks is the "biggest" rugby brand infers that they are the wealthiest or most populous rugby brand in the world. The worlds "biggest" city is the one with the largest population, not the one that is most globally recognisable. If you had said that the All Blacks were the most recognised rugby brand in the world, I would have agreed with that, as it is true.

    It is not my fault if you find yourself getting misinterpreted after using ambiguous words.
    Haha whatever mate, look in the dictionary, there are various interpretations of the word big or biggest - I was referring to the use as to holding high importance/influential position in world rugby as to its branding, its the biggest brand in world rugby, eg most recognised, most sort after etooooooo.. but anyway who cares, I just want a mean rugby game!

    Sorry peeps, back on track with the Team/Player ratings ay, maybe start a scrabble/smarter than a ten year old forum Mutterbox haha, an i'll see ya there
    Last edited by dizal; 22-12-2010 at 09:22 AM.

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    I think the Team Rating should be based on the members of the team. So add the overall ratings of players in the squad and average by number of players. That would give a true indication of the team strength rather than a figure that means nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizal View Post
    Ooh you going to start a uproar with some of those ratings

    Goldie should be higher, so should Merhts, as their core require skills sets, they were exceptional at, eg Goldies speed, vision, quickness, try scoring ability. Same with Merhts tactical kicking, goal kicking, playmaker ability. Even though they may be lower in lineouts, rucking etc that wouldn't effect their overall rating too greatly as their skill rating in the positions they play would be high, hopefully Sidhe factor that in when they do player ratings.

    Like how bball do their player ratings, each position is rated differently. Eg a point guard who has a high rating for Offensive vision, quickness, ball control will have a high rating, because that's what is required from his position.
    And a Centre who has high rebound ability, high post play and inside scoring, blocking, would have a high ranking? Make sense?


    Players you have overated
    Foxy, Mealamu, and Jerry. Only by a couple though
    EA Rugby 2006 and 2008 already did this.

    Each rating was based on 2 to 5 different skills specific to that position (the skill ratings were averaged out).

    For example, a prop with 87 tackling, 87 strength, 87 rucking and 87 scrummaging would be rated as 87 for prop (whether the other skills are 100 or even 50)

    The prop rating was based on scrummaging, strength, tackling and rucking.

    The hooker rating was based on scrummaging, strength, tackling, rucking and hooking (I think that is what it is called, just off the top of my head).

    The lock rating was based on scrummaging, strength, tackling, rucking, and lineouts.

    The flankers and no.8 had the same rating system. It was based on strength, tackling and rucking.

    The halfback rating was based on passing, handling and tackling.

    The first-five rating was based on handling, passing and kicking.

    The centre rating was based on handling and passing.

    The wing rating was based on speed, agility and acceleration.

    The fullback rating was based on speed, acceleration, handling and kicking.

    Each special skill (e.g. command, tactical kicker, scorer etc.) the player has would give a bonus 1 point for the rating for any position.

    An 'impact player' (the ones with stars) would get an extra 6 points towards any rating.

    In the case a player played several positions, the rating would be based on the first position listed.

    If the average of a players skills equals an awkward number (decimals) say 84.5, if the player has no special skills (command etc) then this will be rounded up to 85. If the player has some specials skills then it will not round up e.g. Billy's skill average is 84.5 but he has the command, tactical kicking and scoring skills. This will become 87 (84 + 3) instead of 88.

    I will give examples (from rugby 06 as I need to reinstall 08) as I am crap at explaining:
    Dan Carter is a 'flyhalf'. The key skills for this position are handling, passing and kicking. Dan has 90 handling, 90 passing and 87 kicking. We need the average of these skills.

    90+90+87= 267
    267/3 =89 <- The average of Dan's flyhalf skills

    Now we need to add these extra points from Dan Carter's special skills. He has the 'passer', 'playmaker' and 'goal kicking' skills. This gives his rating an extra 3 points.

    89 +3= 92

    The last step is to add 6 points to his rating due to the fact he is an 'impact player'

    92+6= 98

    This is his rating (for flyhalf. For centre and fullback he would have different ratings).

    I hope you understand. I can give more examples if needed. And sorry to turn this slightly off topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobily View Post
    EA Rugby 2006 and 2008 already did this.

    Each rating was based on 2 to 5 different skills specific to that position (the skill ratings were averaged out).

    For example, a prop with 87 tackling, 87 strength, 87 rucking and 87 scrummaging would be rated as 87 for prop (whether the other skills are 100 or even 50)

    The prop rating was based on scrummaging, strength, tackling and rucking.

    The hooker rating was based on scrummaging, strength, tackling, rucking and hooking (I think that is what it is called, just off the top of my head).

    The lock rating was based on scrummaging, strength, tackling, rucking, and lineouts.

    The flankers and no.8 had the same rating system. It was based on strength, tackling and rucking.

    The halfback rating was based on passing, handling and tackling.

    The first-five rating was based on handling, passing and kicking.

    The centre rating was based on handling and passing.

    The wing rating was based on speed, agility and acceleration.

    The fullback rating was based on speed, acceleration, handling and kicking.

    Each special skill (e.g. command, tactical kicker, scorer etc.) the player has would give a bonus 1 point for the rating for any position.

    An 'impact player' (the ones with stars) would get an extra 6 points towards any rating.

    In the case a player played several positions, the rating would be based on the first position listed.

    If the average of a players skills equals an awkward number (decimals) say 84.5, if the player has no special skills (command etc) then this will be rounded up to 85. If the player has some specials skills then it will not round up e.g. Billy's skill average is 84.5 but he has the command, tactical kicking and scoring skills. This will become 87 (84 + 3) instead of 88.

    I will give examples (from rugby 06 as I need to reinstall 08) as I am crap at explaining:
    Dan Carter is a 'flyhalf'. The key skills for this position are handling, passing and kicking. Dan has 90 handling, 90 passing and 87 kicking. We need the average of these skills.

    90+90+87= 267
    267/3 =89 <- The average of Dan's flyhalf skills

    Now we need to add these extra points from Dan Carter's special skills. He has the 'passer', 'playmaker' and 'goal kicking' skills. This gives his rating an extra 3 points.

    89 +3= 92

    The last step is to add 6 points to his rating due to the fact he is an 'impact player'

    92+6= 98

    This is his rating (for flyhalf. For centre and fullback he would have different ratings).

    I hope you understand. I can give more examples if needed. And sorry to turn this slightly off topic.
    Nah perfect explanation, thats awesome good stuff!! Hopefully Sidhe go along the same lines too regarding their player ratings

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    that is indeed an awesome explanation and I had no idea thats how they worked it out Thanks for taking the time out to explain... Hopefully something along those lines will be implemented into this game (and HB's as well)

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    I remember sitting down with a calculator and trying to work how the ratings were done. However eventually I stopped looking at the ratings because someone was rated 75 and another bloke was rated 60. The guy rated 60 was a lot faster than the 75 guy and now this explains it because they were centres. It was more of a pull your hair out of your head when someone was slow..

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    Yea, it would be difficult trying to work it all out with a calculator if you didn't already know how. I used the create a player mode. I would keep all skills at 50 except one and see whether the rating was affected at all.

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    call as you will but the people that actually care about the AB's in this game are going to be roughly 10% of the customers that buy the game
    There are more x360's in europe than people in NZ, let alone people with consoles in NZ.
    The whole l'ets put in more classic AB sides' to flood the kiwi influence on the video game is not going to happen.
    The license is enough, most people that buy the game will want to beat them, not play with them

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    In previous games all that mattered for backs was Speed and Passing... you could have a player whose rating was pretty bad but if his Speed and Acceleration were 85+ and his passing was 65+ he'd be a very valuable player...
    Agility (or maybe something new "Elusiveness") need to have a greater impact. Cory Jane, arguable the best 14 in the world right now isn't very fast for a winger but he has the ability to beat guys one-on-one with a good step and the best fend your gonna find. He has great strength and agility and thats what make him great...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ak47 View Post
    call as you will but the people that actually care about the AB's in this game are going to be roughly 10% of the customers that buy the game
    There are more x360's in europe than people in NZ, let alone people with consoles in NZ.
    The whole l'ets put in more classic AB sides' to flood the kiwi influence on the video game is not going to happen.
    The license is enough, most people that buy the game will want to beat them, not play with them
    Good point, i'd rather that a few classic players were included instead of a bunch of past All Black teams... mainly players that have influenced the game ad a big way.

    I'd love to see:
    Serge Blanco (France)
    Philippe Sella (France)
    Jason Robinson (England)
    Martin Johnson (England)
    Jason Leonard (England)
    Gareth Edwards (Wales)
    Augustine Pichot (Argentina)
    Rupeni Caucaunibuca (Fiji)
    David Campese (Australia)
    John Eales (Australia)
    George Gregan (Australia)
    Sean Fitzpatrick (New Zealand)
    Colin Meads (New Zealand)
    Jonah Lomu (New Zealand)
    Francois Pienaar (South Africa)
    Percy Montgomery (South Africa)

    Not sure if there is really any chance of this happening but it would be much better to spread the nostalgia around a bit... I'd probably add an Irish and Italian player in there but i can't really think of a great one who isn't currently playing...

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    I can think of a great Italian player, Ivan Francescato, (R.I.P)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6utcdYBl76g

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Sm0NnoT2Aw

    He could play anywhere from 9 to 15

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    i'd actually prefer if they didn't use the same sort of rating system because if you think about it a lot of the players who are star international players are probably not that much better than someone who's playing in the league instead.

    For instance look at Stephen Jones and Ronan O'Gara, id say Jones's real kicking is probs like 72 and passing 78 but hes still a very good player adding his experience and aura in the team. O'gara probably one of the best tactical kickers in the world 95 but a pretty average distributer 77 again like jones experience and status means a lot because they can get away with it.

    What im trying to say is skill, pace and strength only means so much in a rugby game there are other important factors like experience, status, game management, positional sense, knowledge and compusure (im sure theres more).

    I don't really know how you could implement this in a video game for rating a player but i always thought other factors should be considered in rating a player

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    Quote Originally Posted by chibi View Post
    I can think of a great Italian player, Ivan Francescato, (R.I.P)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6utcdYBl76g

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Sm0NnoT2Aw

    He could play anywhere from 9 to 15
    Sweet then add him to the list... I would also love to see vintage strips and balls!

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    samoa - brian lima

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    Quote Originally Posted by ***wEsTs TiGeRs*** View Post
    Wallabies
    1. Benn Robinson 78
    2. Tatafu Polota-Nau 81
    3. Ben Alexander 83
    4. James Horwill 84 (Waiting to see how he recovers from his injury)
    5. Nathan Sharpe 87
    6. Rocky Elsom 85 (Poor season)
    7. David Pocock 89
    8. Richard Brown 76
    9. Will Genia 87
    10. Quade Cooper 88
    11. Drew Mitchell 82
    12. Matt Giteau 77 (Over rated and has been poor past 3 years)
    13. Adam Ashley-Cooper 83
    14. James O'Connor 80
    15. Kurtley Beale 81

    All Blacks
    1. Tony Woodcock 85
    2. Keven Mealamu 84
    3. Owen Franks 79
    4. Brad Thorn 84
    5. Tom Donnelly 81
    6. Jerome Kaino 85
    7. Richie McCaw 98
    8. Kieran Reid 90
    9. Jimmy Cowan 83
    10. Dan Carter 99
    11. Joe Rokocoko 81
    12. Ma'a Nonu 89
    13. Conrad Smith 88
    14. Cory Jane 82 (84 at Full back)
    15. Mils Muliaina 87
    the wallabies teams a joke, kurtley at 81 and Dan Carter at 99? pfft i dont think so, sure dan carters a good kicker, but theres no way hes that much better than beale. beale should be around 89-90 and carter around the same area

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    Adam Thompson should have the best Tackling in this game!!!
    He's made 88 tackles so far this season (only 6 games) that is more than anyone else in Super Rugby, and he's only missed 4!!! That is a truly amazing stat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewis1234 View Post
    the wallabies teams a joke, kurtley at 81 and Dan Carter at 99? pfft i dont think so, sure dan carters a good kicker, but theres no way hes that much better than beale. beale should be around 89-90 and carter around the same area
    HOW is beale almost as good as the greatest first-five ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARTER+MCCAW View Post
    HOW is beale almost as good as the greatest first-five ever
    Dan Carter is a much more established and experienced player, but to say that Kurtley Beale isn't anywhere near his league is a great injustice:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EXiP-i-qUM

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    There is no doubt that Carter is alot better than Beale... but in the context of a player rating based on attributes they carry they'd be very similar, unless things like consistency, vision, defensive awareness and offensive awareness are included as stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan the Man View Post
    There is no doubt that Carter is alot better than Beale
    Kurtley Beale is in the top two fullbacks in the world. While he may not be the number one player in the entire world, you can't really label anyone as being "a lot" better than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutterbox View Post
    Kurtley Beale is in the top two fullbacks in the world. While he may not be the number one player in the entire world, you can't really label anyone as being "a lot" better than him.
    Can, and did

    IMO Carter is alot better than Beale...

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